About the auto-pilot

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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HobAnagerik wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 03:43
The autopilot just needs to have altitude hold, and heading mode. Nothing more.

https://aviationtheory.net.au/instrumen ... ing%20mode.
It's on the manual : "it (the AP) can’t intercept a new course on its own, which means it won’t automatically fly the whole route you’ve programmed into a GPS. "
So with this AP you can't learn how to use a AP that can automatically fly a whole route, and that's just what I wanted to say.

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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If I was given a coin every time when, within flight sim community, meaning of IFR was understood wrong, the separate domains of navigation and auto flight was not understood, and fundamentals of requirements and implications of having GNSS or much any other RNAV system in an aircraft was not comprehended, I'd need the Money Bin similar from Scrooge McDuck within a year. :)

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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Darth Patzer wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 09:55
HobAnagerik wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 03:43
The autopilot just needs to have altitude hold, and heading mode. Nothing more.

https://aviationtheory.net.au/instrumen ... ing%20mode.
It's on the manual : "it (the AP) can’t intercept a new course on its own, which means it won’t automatically fly the whole route you’ve programmed into a GPS. "
So with this AP you can't learn how to use a AP that can automatically fly a whole route, and that's just what I wanted to say.
1. It can. That's a generalisation. The autopilot can track a course just fine as long as the deviation between legs isn't too big. You seem to constantly ignore this.
2. Yes, you can use this autopilot to learn how to use an autopilot that can automatically fly the whole route since there is no difference between engaging the autopilot in this plane versus any other. The steps you take with any other autopilot are a subset of the steps you take with the S-TEC. So wrong again.

I still don't understand what the problem is here. If you don't like the autopilot cause you can't engage it after take off and then go for a walk and come back on short final, that's fine, just say so. To each his own. There really is no need to beat around the bush like that.

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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HobAnagerik wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 05:51
eracer1111 wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 05:46
It can't fly faster than Mach 1.
Challenge accepted. <slews up to 270,000ft> :-)
Hah!

Falling isn't flying. :lol:

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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I'm going to throw in my opinion of the autopilot on this plane.

90% of the time it's fine the way it is and I'm reasonably happy to sit there and babysit it but on a Friday or Saturday night I like to have a few beers and smoke and that means going to the toilet a lot and standing outside the house for a considerable time and that means this aircraft is unflyable unless I fly very long routes with very long sectors between waypoints and it shouldn't be that way.

It really should come with a choice of autopilot units so the user can decide what they are in the mood for and what is appropriate to their needs much as you would have the choice in reality.

There is no reason for anyone to get their knickers in a twist about that because it suits everyone that flies the plane.

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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I have yet to see any currently-flying Comanches that feature an autopilot more advanced than the one currently fitted - and that should be the criteria for whether or not one would even be considered as an option.

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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Jazz wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 03:11
90% of the time it's fine the way it is and I'm reasonably happy to sit there and babysit it but on a Friday or Saturday night I like to have a few beers and smoke and that means going to the toilet a lot and standing outside the house for a considerable time and that means this aircraft is unflyable unless I fly very long routes with very long sectors between waypoints and it shouldn't be that way.
What is wrong with just pausing the game like legions of sim pilots have been doing since the dawn of time? :)

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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LukeFF wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 16:59
Jazz wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 03:11
90% of the time it's fine the way it is and I'm reasonably happy to sit there and babysit it but on a Friday or Saturday night I like to have a few beers and smoke and that means going to the toilet a lot and standing outside the house for a considerable time and that means this aircraft is unflyable unless I fly very long routes with very long sectors between waypoints and it shouldn't be that way.
What is wrong with just pausing the game like legions of sim pilots have been doing since the dawn of time? :)
I fly in real-time only

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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Darth Patzer wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 09:55

It's on the manual : "it (the AP) can’t intercept a new course on its own, which means it won’t automatically fly the whole route you’ve programmed into a GPS. "
So with this AP you can't learn how to use a AP that can automatically fly a whole route, and that's just what I wanted to say.
Have you tried it? It's not exact, as there's no pre-turn logic to keep it from overshooting on turns, but it still turns and re-intercepts the magenta line on its own.
What the manual states as suggested flight procedures, and what the AP will actually do, are different things.

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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Jazz wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 17:14
LukeFF wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 16:59
Jazz wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 03:11
90% of the time it's fine the way it is and I'm reasonably happy to sit there and babysit it but on a Friday or Saturday night I like to have a few beers and smoke and that means going to the toilet a lot and standing outside the house for a considerable time and that means this aircraft is unflyable unless I fly very long routes with very long sectors between waypoints and it shouldn't be that way.
What is wrong with just pausing the game like legions of sim pilots have been doing since the dawn of time? :)
I fly in real-time only
To each their own, but that' s an odd dichotomy. You want a realistic experience, but one in which you can leave the airplane for extended periods, and count on it not having any issues while you are gone. And don't forget, 8 hours from bottle to throttle :)
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Re: About the auto-pilot

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jsbrewster1 wrote:
13 Aug 2023, 02:52
Jazz wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 17:14
LukeFF wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 16:59


What is wrong with just pausing the game like legions of sim pilots have been doing since the dawn of time? :)
I fly in real-time only
To each their own, but that' s an odd dichotomy. You want a realistic experience, but one in which you can leave the airplane for extended periods, and count on it not having any issues while you are gone. And don't forget, 8 hours from bottle to throttle :)
To each their own, indeed. There is nothing unrealistic about having an option of a more modern and capable autopilot for those that would want to use it in certain situations and it certainly isn't "odd". Quite the contrary. I don't recall writing that I wanted to "count on it not having any issues". What I did write is that some people don't have all the time in the world. Consequently, they choose to mix their pleasures in the time they have. For me, that means a few drinks and smokes on a Saturday night whilst flying and that means time away from the controls. We're playing with PCs, here. We're not really in the sky. So yes, I do want a realistic aircraft model but I don't want it so realistic that I'm unable to have a beer or a smoke and so that I'm peeing into a bottle/gel pack rather than my toilet. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'm sure some like to fly whilst watching that film that they have been trying to get around to for the last 2 years. Some may want to study some manuals or some just have demanding young children that need their nappies changed and put back to bed immediately rather than when they reach the next waypoint in 10 NM. People have lives and those lives are often full and so capable autopilot helps and people shouldn't be sneered at for finding a use for one. For some, it is the difference between being able to sim of an evening and not being able to sim and it has nothing to do with their ability to control the aircraft. It's purely time.

What is "odd" are some of the attitudes some have in the flight sim world. Especially towards how others should enjoy their hard-earned free time with their hard-earned toys.

It's "odd" that someone would demonstrate resistance to this suggestion when it wouldn't affect them or their experience in the slightest.

The OP may not understand what IFR is and seems to have been operating the current system incorrectly and they could have worded their suggestion such that it meant adding an alternative and more modern autopilot option as opposed to replacing what's in the aircraft with such but other than that his suggestion was a sound one that would please everyone. For some reason, there has been more focus on his mistakes in this thread rather than addressing the foundation of what he was asking for which is simply the option of a more capable autopilot and there really isn't anything wrong with that at all.

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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Jazz wrote:
13 Aug 2023, 04:22
jsbrewster1 wrote:
13 Aug 2023, 02:52
Jazz wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 17:14


I fly in real-time only
To each their own, but that' s an odd dichotomy. You want a realistic experience, but one in which you can leave the airplane for extended periods, and count on it not having any issues while you are gone. And don't forget, 8 hours from bottle to throttle :)
To each their own, indeed. There is nothing unrealistic about having an option of a more modern and capable autopilot for those that would want to use it in certain situations and it certainly isn't "odd". Quite the contrary. I don't recall writing that I wanted to "count on it not having any issues". What I did write is that some people don't have all the time in the world. Consequently, they choose to mix their pleasures in the time they have. For me, that means a few drinks and smokes on a Saturday night whilst flying and that means time away from the controls. We're playing with PCs, here. We're not really in the sky. So yes, I do want a realistic aircraft model but I don't want it so realistic that I'm unable to have a beer or a smoke and so that I'm peeing into a bottle/gel pack rather than my toilet. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'm sure some like to fly whilst watching that film that they have been trying to get around to for the last 2 years. Some may want to study some manuals or some just have demanding young children that need their nappies changed and put back to bed immediately rather than when they reach the next waypoint in 10 NM. People have lives and those lives are often full and so capable autopilot helps and people shouldn't be sneered at for finding a use for one. For some, it is the difference between being able to sim of an evening and not being able to sim and it has nothing to do with their ability to control the aircraft. It's purely time.

What is "odd" are some of the attitudes some have in the flight sim world. Especially towards how others should enjoy their hard-earned free time with their hard-earned toys.

It's "odd" that someone would demonstrate resistance to this suggestion when it wouldn't affect them or their experience in the slightest.

The OP may not understand what IFR is and seems to have been operating the current system incorrectly and they could have worded their suggestion such that it meant adding an alternative and more modern autopilot option as opposed to replacing what's in the aircraft with such but other than that his suggestion was a sound one that would please everyone. For some reason, there has been more focus on his mistakes in this thread rather than addressing the foundation of what he was asking for which is simply the option of a more capable autopilot and there really isn't anything wrong with that at all.
i apologize if I came off too harsh. All I was trying to suggest is that 'pause' when you are away would give you both the realism you want and the opportunity to take breaks when you want. And you're right, you should be able to sim any way you like, and this is a suggestion thread, not a bug. Again, apologies for coming across as elitist or trying to control others' experiences. I hate when people dismiss my suggestions as well.
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Re: About the auto-pilot

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Pause and time accel are the two best features of desktop simming 😁.

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Re: About the auto-pilot

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Jazz wrote:
13 Aug 2023, 04:22
So yes, I do want a realistic aircraft model but I don't want it so realistic that I'm unable to have a beer or a smoke and so that I'm peeing into a bottle/gel pack rather than my toilet.
Ah thanks for reminding me I need to empty my Comanche pee bottle next to my desk.

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